sorry again, stupid program won't incorporate the total link :
just go to the tech and science column, then click on the kansas school board article. then you will see what i am talkin' about.
later gators,
cajunsr.
sorry again, stupid program won't incorporate the total link :
just go to the tech and science column, then click on the kansas school board article. then you will see what i am talkin' about.
later gators,
cajunsr.
the gist of the article says:
TOPEKA, Kan. - The Kansas state Board of Education on Tuesday repealed science guidelines questioning evolution that had made the state an object of ridicule.
The new guidelines reflect mainstream scientific views of evolution and represent a political defeat for advocates of “intelligent design,” who had helped write the standards that are being jettisoned.
The intelligent design concept holds that life is so complex that it must have been created by a higher authority.
The state has had five sets of standards in eight years, with anti- and pro-evolution versions, each doomed by the seesawing fortunes of socially conservative Republicans and a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans.
The board on Tuesday removed language suggesting that key evolutionary concepts — such as a common origin for all life on Earth and change in species creating new ones — were controversial and being challenged by new research. Also approved was a new definition of science, specifically limiting it to the search for natural explanations of what is observed in the universe.
“Those standards represent mainstream scientific consensus about both what science is and what evolution is,” said Jack Krebs, a math and technology teacher who helped write the new guidelines. He is also president of Kansas Citizens for Science.
The state uses its standards to develop tests that measure how well students are learning science. Although decisions about what is taught in classrooms remain with 296 local school boards, both sides in the evolution dispute say the standards will influence teachers as they try to ensure that their students test well.
John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said under the new standards, “students will be fed an answer which may be right or wrong” about questions like the origin of life.
“Who does that model put first?” he said. “The student, or those supplying the preordained ‘natural explanation’?”
The Board of Education’s swing back wasn’t likely to settle the issue, given many Kansans’ religious objections and other misgivings about evolution.
“I don’t think this issue is going to go away. I think it’s going to be around forever,” board chairman Bill Wagnon, a Topeka Democrat who supports evolution-friendly standards, said before the vote.
TOPEKA, Kan. - The Kansas state Board of Education on Tuesday repealed science guidelines questioning evolution that had made the state an object of ridicule.
The new guidelines reflect mainstream scientific views of evolution and represent a political defeat for advocates of “intelligent design,” who had helped write the standards that are being jettisoned.
The intelligent design concept holds that life is so complex that it must have been created by a higher authority.
The state has had five sets of standards in eight years, with anti- and pro-evolution versions, each doomed by the seesawing fortunes of socially conservative Republicans and a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans.
The board on Tuesday removed language suggesting that key evolutionary concepts — such as a common origin for all life on Earth and change in species creating new ones — were controversial and being challenged by new research. Also approved was a new definition of science, specifically limiting it to the search for natural explanations of what is observed in the universe.
“Those standards represent mainstream scientific consensus about both what science is and what evolution is,” said Jack Krebs, a math and technology teacher who helped write the new guidelines. He is also president of Kansas Citizens for Science.
The state uses its standards to develop tests that measure how well students are learning science. Although decisions about what is taught in classrooms remain with 296 local school boards, both sides in the evolution dispute say the standards will influence teachers as they try to ensure that their students test well.
John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said under the new standards, “students will be fed an answer which may be right or wrong” about questions like the origin of life.
“Who does that model put first?” he said. “The student, or those supplying the preordained ‘natural explanation’?”
The Board of Education’s swing back wasn’t likely to settle the issue, given many Kansans’ religious objections and other misgivings about evolution.
“I don’t think this issue is going to go away. I think it’s going to be around forever,” board chairman Bill Wagnon, a Topeka Democrat who supports evolution-friendly standards, said before the vote.
so what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Hi crab eater,
don't worry, "we" in "old europe" know about these "discussions" in the US - as well as about some other too. Keep in mind, that in here worldwide informatons are a lot better than you have them in there. During vacations I'm always my very best not to be forced to get informations by a US channel...
don't worry, "we" in "old europe" know about these "discussions" in the US - as well as about some other too. Keep in mind, that in here worldwide informatons are a lot better than you have them in there. During vacations I'm always my very best not to be forced to get informations by a US channel...
hey cousin alf,
found a true 'crab eatin' coon in south america, my cousin 'amigo'. you might visit him when you go to argentina, but he is very reclusive. so bring lots of crabs to entice him out.
later gator,
cajunsr.
Like me you obviously realise that there is no room for discussion here.
This is how we all began.
Love,
Hilda
Hildette,
With all due respect : FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
You call this "falsehood", that shows little respect for those members who believe in the scientific evidence supporting the evolution theory...
Pot... Cattle... Black
He, who is without sin throw the first stone...
Well, you must be holy to be throwing that first stone while not respecting your own point... WAY TO GO !!!
Another thing,...
If you had read _alf_ better he meant that he tries to avoid getting "news" and "information" through US channels (better : US controlled channels), because much information coming from them is tainted, manipulated,... Compare a simple global news item, as being reported by a EUropean, US, Russian, Chinese,... media and see for yourself. US journalism is more "heil mister president", "god, bless america",... rather then give an objective view of the world . But it takes some basic intelligence to see through this...
Like me you obviously realise that there is no room for discussion here.
This is how we all began.
Love,
Hilda
bonsoir hilda,
you may believe as you wish. the comparison between the chimp and the chump was obvious. and as i said, the ape is smarter in this case. as for eve, well, this is a female blonde driving this car. need i say more!
I agree with you completely, Moondude, freedom of speech is very important, but it’s sometimes difficult to reconcile that with knowing the truth. Where Cajun went wrong was to discuss something as controversial as evolution on the Laugh Forum. As I said, that ungodly Error is not a joke.
I don’t understand what you mean about cattle, but I’m very sorry that I have upset you and Alf so much . I didn’t mean to .
Love to you all,
Hilda
Hello Hilda,
no need to worry, you did not upset me - so no need to apologise as well.
The problem with the forum ist, that there is no real "general" section on the top, where everyone can talk about everything. If you add something "outside topic" in there, it will disturb some people. That's why the "crab eater" had to add it here.
In all, it should not be the problem to talk about everything and nothing, to have different oppinions - it should never be seen as personal attack.
What we are doing in here, is to keep at least a little life in the english part of the forum - well, and I'm keeping that ol' crab eater a little busy, from time to time he needs some needles not to fall asleep...
I assumed that Moondude was a friend of yours speaking on your behalf.
Hilda
I know him as good as I know you or the cajun or any other member in here - not at all. You will have seen, that we are all from different countries - and that's what's making this place that interesting. We all may have different ideas, different oppinions, different cultures - but this is a place where we can share some time with the others.
You saw what cajun wrote as attack on what you are believing - exactly that you will NOT see from his side and in here. Even if we use the hammer in our discussions - there is always the respect for different cultures and religions. What he pointed up was that these things turned to politics in US since some years. Anyway moondude resumed correctly, that I have some doubts about US media. They are used to have a look at their own tummy , whatever is going around in the rest of the world will make one sentence at the end of the news. I know, that there are informations available in US as well - but they are not easy to get. The discussion he pointed up, I'm following time by time in our media - some doubts, that you can do that in US with any kind of discussion from any other country, whatever it's about. That was the small needle I hided for him in a yummy crab...
The Bible says clearly that the Lord created everything in seven days. Adam and Eve, our ancestors, were made separately from the animals. This is not a joke. To treat it in this way shows little respect for those members who believe the word of the Lord God and believe in our Saviour, Christ Jesus. I think you will find there is something in the Terms and Conditions of Delcampe to stop you from using the delcampe forum to spread falsehoods like this, to the distress of those members who know the truth.
May the Lord God have mercy on your soul.
Hilda
I have only one question. The Bible says that God created everything in seven days. How long is a day in the life of God? Do you really believe that God would base his day on the rotation of the Earth?
I know him as good as I know you or the cajun or any other member in here - not at all. You will have seen, that we are all from different countries - and that's what's making this place that interesting. We all may have different ideas, different oppinions, different cultures - but this is a place where we can share some time with the others.
You saw what cajun wrote as attack on what you are believing - exactly that you will NOT see from his side and in here. Even if we use the hammer in our discussions - there is always the respect for different cultures and religions. What he pointed up was that these things turned to politics in US since some years. Anyway moondude resumed correctly, that I have some doubts about US media. They are used to have a look at their own tummy , whatever is going around in the rest of the world will make one sentence at the end of the news. I know, that there are informations available in US as well - but they are not easy to get. The discussion he pointed up, I'm following time by time in our media - some doubts, that you can do that in US with any kind of discussion from any other country, whatever it's about. That was the small needle I hided for him in a yummy crab...
hey cousin alf,
ouch, what's the needle doin' in my crab? stick it in the xenocrab's butt, not in my food. i see we have a fiesty little english lass to banter with. good, i need fresh rosbif to roast with my puns, as my friend PN has been banished from the delcampe kingdom. his wit and humor will be sorely missed, despite the grumblings from others.
amities,
cajunsr.
If you don't mind me saying so, Nachthund, that's rather a stupid question.
God didn't even create the earth until the third day !
But He is omniscient, so he would know how long a day was without needing to watch the earth rotating. Then he made it rotate once a day.
Hilda
Just another stupid question! What about all those bones they are finding throughout the world? You know dinosaur. What day did God create those, and what happened to them? Did Adam and Eve eat all of them and that is why they are extinct?
It completely amazes me how people who believe in Intelligent Design can throw out millions of years of history, and science. Could it be that Evolution is God's Design? Could it possibly be that God just created the seeds, and that he is sitting back waiting to see what developes? Oh! I forgot! God is omniscient, so he would know the results. But in that case why did he give man the ability to think for himself, and make choices? Could this possibly be another of God's designs? He gave each of us the ability to make a choice, and he is waiting to see what choice we make? Isn't that what the final judgement is?
Well! I see that is more then one stupid question, but I am just a flawed human being looking for answers. Wait a minute, God created me, and he doesn't make mistakes, thus I must be perfect, and thus I must be correct in my assumptions. Isn't logic great, you should try it sometime. Remember that God also gave us the ability to question, and use logic to find the answers.
Just another stupid question! What about all those bones they are finding throughout the world? You know dinosaur. What day did God create those, and what happened to them? Did Adam and Eve eat all of them and that is why they are extinct?
It completely amazes me how people who believe in Intelligent Design can throw out millions of years of history, and science. Could it be that Evolution is God's Design? Could it possibly be that God just created the seeds, and that he is sitting back waiting to see what developes? Oh! I forgot! God is omniscient, so he would know the results. But in that case why did he give man the ability to think for himself, and make choices? Could this possibly be another of God's designs? He gave each of us the ability to make a choice, and he is waiting to see what choice we make? Isn't that what the final judgement is?
Well! I see that is more then one stupid question, but I am just a flawed human being looking for answers. Wait a minute, God created me, and he doesn't make mistakes, thus I must be perfect, and thus I must be correct in my assumptions. Isn't logic great, you should try it sometime. Remember that God also gave us the ability to question, and use logic to find the answers.
hi hound,
you isn't a human, you is HAL, that damn computer from 2001 movie. yeah, you try to fool this ol' cajun, but he is on to you. bad ol' computer.
hi hound,
you isn't a human, you is HAL, that damn computer from 2001 movie. yeah, you try to fool this ol' cajun, but he is on to you. bad ol' computer.
amities,
cajunsr.
Hey Cajun,
Just using what God gave me!
Now you look at the picture of my Lily just sitting at the computer typing away. It is a cute picture, but of course Lily is a dog and logic tells us that Dogs do not use computers. For them the world is black and white and they accept the world as it is. Of course we are human, thus we question. Did you know that only 33% of the world population is Christian? Are you aware that there are approximately 34,000 different versions of Christianity? That is a lot of questions.
Wouldn't the world be a much better place if people were like Lily, accepting the world as it is? Imagine a world without war, without
crime. Imagine also that if we were all like dogs there would be no sin, then we could all go to heaven. Don't all dogs go to heaven? After all they are God's creation also.
I can just see Lily going to heaven where she meets St. Peter. Now St. Peter, as the official greeter, offers to show her around. As they come to a jungle Lily sees all the Monkeys playing in the trees, and St. Peter tells her that this is where all the Monkeys live. "All day they play, and eat bananas and have a great time." Then as they come to an open plain Lily sees all the horses, and St. Peter tells her that the horses get to run free all day. Then off in the distance Lily sees a bunch of cows, and St. Peter tells her that the cows are having a wonderful time just chomping on grass, and chewing their cud.
Then after awhile they come to this great wall, and Lily hears a bunch of noise coming from the other side and asks St. Peter what that is. "Oh! That is where we keep the humans." St. Peter replies. "They spend all day praying, and singing, but we must be quite." Why is that?" asks Lily, to which St. Peter replies: "That is because the humans think they are the only ones here." "Now we must hurry if you want to see the special place were we keep President Bush!"
Now you look at the picture of my Lily just sitting at the computer typing away. It is a cute picture, but of course Lily is a dog and logic tells us that Dogs do not use computers. For them the world is black and white and they accept the world as it is. Of course we are human, thus we question. Did you know that only 33% of the world population is Christian? Are you aware that there are approximately 34,000 different versions of Christianity? That is a lot of questions.
Wouldn't the world be a much better place if people were like Lily, accepting the world as it is? Imagine a world without war, without
crime. Imagine also that if we were all like dogs there would be no sin, then we could all go to heaven. Don't all dogs go to heaven? After all they are God's creation also.
I can just see Lily going to heaven where she meets St. Peter. Now St. Peter, as the official greeter, offers to show her around. As they come to a jungle Lily sees all the Monkeys playing in the trees, and St. Peter tells her that this is where all the Monkeys live. "All day they play, and eat bananas and have a great time." Then as they come to an open plain Lily sees all the horses, and St. Peter tells her that the horses get to run free all day. Then off in the distance Lily sees a bunch of cows, and St. Peter tells her that the cows are having a wonderful time just chomping on grass, and chewing their cud.
Then after awhile they come to this great wall, and Lily hears a bunch of noise coming from the other side and asks St. Peter what that is. "Oh! That is where we keep the humans." St. Peter replies. "They spend all day praying, and singing, but we must be quite." Why is that?" asks Lily, to which St. Peter replies: "That is because the humans think they are the only ones here." "Now we must hurry if you want to see the special place were we keep President Bush!"
hi hound,
i found him. they changed him into this. very convenient for our canine cousins, ya think?
hi hound,
i found him. they changed him into this. very convenient for our canine cousins, ya think?
amities,
cajunsr.
Hi Cajun,
Showed the picture to Lily and she said "OoooooooooooH! Didn't know she could talk did you? Then she went outside to do her business. Smart dog! Knows better then to mess up her own house like some of our leaders do.
Here is something for you. At night lily sleeps on my leather chair, and Bear, the male sleeps on a rug in back of the chair. Yesterday I threw out the old rug, and went, and bought Bear a new doggie bed so he would not have to sleep on the cold floor. Last night Lily decided she liked the bed better then my old chair so she slept there. Now Bear knows that the chair belongs to Lily, so he ended up sleeping on the floor again. Just like humans, the female gets the bed, and the male gets the floor if there is no couch.
This is sexist, and it has nothing to do with Genesis.
Cajun's "joke" about the female driver, which I let pass at the time, was also sexist. These things can be very offensive, and I feel sure they are not permitted in Monsieur Dlecampe's Terms & Conditions,which are here to protect us all. I don't want to complain, and I realise that you are merely irresponsible lads having a bit of a laugh, but I think you should be more careful.
Have a peaceful weekend, free of sin as far as possible,
Hilda
bonjour hilda,
well, if this is so, i have 4 blonde daughters who may agree with you. but dad is still going to disagree with them on occasion. but that don't mean i stop loving them. un bonne journee' madame.
amities,
cajunsr.
Showed the picture to Lily and she said "OoooooooooooH! Didn't know she could talk did you? Then she went outside to do her business. Smart dog! Knows better then to mess up her own house like some of our leaders do.
Here is something for you. At night lily sleeps on my leather chair, and Bear, the male sleeps on a rug in back of the chair. Yesterday I threw out the old rug, and went, and bought Bear a new doggie bed so he would not have to sleep on the cold floor. Last night Lily decided she liked the bed better then my old chair so she slept there. Now Bear knows that the chair belongs to Lily, so he ended up sleeping on the floor again. Just like humans, the female gets the bed, and the male gets the floor if there is no couch.
Your Old Nachthund!
hey hound,
not in my house, my ol' lady likes the couch. i sleep in the bed. but it is nice to have a warm butt next to you once and a while. guess i'll get pepper, my dog, to come and join me.
later gator,
cajunsr.
bonjour hilda,
well, if this is so, i have 4 blonde daughters who may agree with you. but dad is still going to disagree with them on occasion. but that don't mean i stop loving them. un bonne journee' madame.
amities,
cajunsr.
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Cajun you old dog, how did you survive four daughters. I only have one and the gray hair to prove it. Fortunately she finally realized that old Daddy knew what he was talking about, and she is in her last year of college, paying for it herself with a little help from the VA, and of course Daddy. Also just got engaged to a real nice guy, one with a future also. A lot better then her old boyfriend who has been in and out of jail twice that I know of.
Love chatting with you, but I am planning on doing a little sinning this weekend so got to get busy. Now what did I do with that cane of mine?
Oh! Hilda, don't worry about me, my wife goes to church every Sunday, and prays for my soul so I am covered. Besides my first wife is already there, and she has told me that my reservations have already been confirmed.
Cajun you old dog, how did you survive four daughters. I only have one and the gray hair to prove it. Fortunately she finally realized that old Daddy knew what he was talking about, and she is in her last year of college, paying for it herself with a little help from the VA, and of course Daddy. Also just got engaged to a real nice guy, one with a future also. A lot better then her old boyfriend who has been in and out of jail twice that I know of.
Love chatting with you, but I am planning on doing a little sinning this weekend so got to get busy. Now what did I do with that cane of mine?
Oh! Hilda, don't worry about me, my wife goes to church every Sunday, and prays for my soul so I am covered. Besides my first wife is already there, and she has told me that my reservations have already been confirmed.
Nachthund
hey hound,
my son is home from 9 years in the army and keeps the other 4 under control now. got the youngest 2 in college under the VA too. i'm a 100% DAV myself. and retired army. as for miss hilda, a bottle of hydrogen peroxide might change her outlook on life. blondes do have more fun.
hey hound,
my son is home from 9 years in the army and keeps the other 4 under control now. got the youngest 2 in college under the VA too. i'm a 100% DAV myself. and retired army. as for miss hilda, a bottle of hydrogen peroxide might change her outlook on life. blondes do have more fun.
later gator,
cajunsr.
Hey Cajun,
Now that is sexist, funny, but sexist! What is life without a sense of humor? Even God has a sense of human, he made us with all our flaws didn't he?
Used to go with a girl who was also a Catholic, and I once asked her why she was always going to confession? Her answer was that since she liked to party, by going to confession she could always start the week off fresh. Then I asked her that if she was so religious why then did she party so much. Her response was that in the Bible it tells us that Jesus loves sinners, and that we are to confess our sins. Now if she did not have any sins, then she would have nothing to confess, and Jesus would not love her. Now how can you fight logic like that?
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