I recently purchased this coin Philip IV Tours mint 4.0 grams, rEference Duplessy 251, Ob: Central cross, PHILIPPVS REX - +BHDICTV:SIT:HOmeHI:nRIEI:ihV:XPI, RE: Castle with cross above, fleur-de-lis border, TVRONVS CIVIS

Will anyone advise me on the scarcity, value and/or importance of this coin, if any?

Also, does anyone know the reputation of Gabriel Vandervort of
www.ancientresources.comLink (http)? As he is wanting to purchase this coin from me.

I greatly appreciate all comments and advice.

Kind Regards,

monkpiper

Isn't there a price given in the Duplessy catalogue ?

Try asking on the French forum. Somebody there must have one.

If Gabriel Vandervort pays you a reasonable proportion of the catalogue price, I don't see that his reputation matters. He might be worried about yours (will you send him the coin or not once he has paid? Is the coin genuine ?) .

Or you could auction the coin to ascertain its value by seeing what it fetches. This is an auction website.

Rogermo

Rogermo
I do not have the duplessy catalogue, I have only the reference number and I will ask on the French Forum, thank you.

I believe this coin to be quite genuine, he is offering me (in trade or cash) far above what I paid for it. I am new to trading and selling. I have only collected before.

Hence, my hesitation in someone who solicits me outside of "normal" auction channels. I believe my caution is prudent and as far as My Reputation, I believe in holding to the highest of standards, ethics, code of conduct and so forth........Of course I will send him the coin if we agree on terms or I may keep it myself, after all, I liked it, purchased it and would not have, just to turn around and sell it. That is not why I collect coins.

Thank you for your advice and I will attempt to locate the duplessy catalogue, I highly appreciate your help.

Kind Regards

monkpiper

bonsoir MP,
where is this buyer located? if you accept his payment, i give this advice as a former usps employee who has listened to postal inspectors, make sure to be paid in a trackable insured manner or by PAYPAL or such. you can send the coin by registered mail to cover yourself as far as liabilities go. as i said in the other forum about a recent customer losing his money was because he did not follow good procedure. if this coin is very valuable, then i am sure my advice will be understood. good luck with your decisions.

amities,
cajunsr.

Cajunsr,
I will do as you say, cher', I thank u from de bottum of dis hart. Always, a frend in Texos, u weel fine. Aneetime u won to beetche comb, u b sirten to call de monk, guide you safe and well, I will. In de days gon pass, monk be de guide four de Mus-eum uv de natuarale' uv Houstaun. Do the same for u, I will.

Have a very nice day, post later, I will.
monkpiper

Rogermo
I do not have the duplessy catalogue, I have only the reference number and I will ask on the French Forum, thank you.

I believe this coin to be quite genuine, he is offering me (in trade or cash) far above what I paid for it. I am new to trading and selling. I have only collected before.

Hence, my hesitation in someone who solicits me outside of "normal" auction channels. I believe my caution is prudent and as far as My Reputation, I believe in holding to the highest of standards, ethics, code of conduct and so forth........Of course I will send him the coin if we agree on terms or I may keep it myself, after all, I liked it, purchased it and would not have, just to turn around and sell it. That is not why I collect coins.

Thank you for your advice and I will attempt to locate the duplessy catalogue, I highly appreciate your help.

Kind Regards

monkpiper

hello!

bonjour cousin JPC,

thank you for your response to help our american friend. the coins are truly works of french art for such an early age. no wonder they are so highly sought after.

le merci pour votre réponse pour aider notre ami américain. les pièces sont vraiment des travaux d'art français pour un tel premier âge. ce n'est pas étonnant ils sont si hautement recherchés.

amities,
cajunsr.

Philip VI 1293- 1360, not exactly an early age. Quite late in the Middle Ages.
But the query was about Philip IV , 1268-1314 .
Such coins were not a monopoly of France. This one is David II of Scotland, 1329-71, minted in Edinburgh.

Rogermo

Philip VI 1293- 1360, not exactly an early age. Quite late in the Middle Ages.
But the query was about Philip IV , 1268-1314 .
Such coins were not a monopoly of France. This one is David II of Scotland, 1329-71, minted in Edinburgh.

Rogermo

Philip VI 1293- 1360, not exactly an early age. Quite late in the Middle Ages.
But the query was about Philip IV , 1268-1314 .
Such coins were not a monopoly of France. This one is David II of Scotland, 1329-71, minted in Edinburgh.

Rogermo

bonjour rogermo,

granted, the coins are similar. however, the workmanship of the dies is much more striking with the french coins, and seem to be more precise. the artisans have spent many more hours on their craft producing a quality product of the day. hence my observation. a result of the upcoming renaissance? or were the scots were just saving money as usual on man hours.

amities,
cajunsr.

I will scan the coin and post when gone from my job, I am.
Today, the 8th, @ 5 pm CST.

Thank you, all of you-all, for your help.

monkpiper

Merci, Jpc83, mais évidement ce n’est pas la même monnaie: les images, l’inscription, même le roi sont différents.
Y-a-t-il un autre Duplessy 251 , dans une autre édition peut-être ?
Merci quand même.
« Cours : 30 s. t. » veut dire quoi ? Et « Titre » ?

Thank you Jpc83, but this clearly isn’t the same coin: the design, the inscription, even the king are different.
Is there another Duplessy 251, perhaps in another edition ?
Thanks anyway.
What do “ Cours : 30 s. t. ” and “ Titre ” mean ?

Rogermo.

bonjour Rogermo,

30 s.t signifie 30 sous tournois; le titre est en théorie 1000 (or pur).

JPC83

bonjour rogermo,

granted, the coins are similar. however, the workmanship of the dies is much more striking with the french coins, and seem to be more precise. the artisans have spent many more hours on their craft producing a quality product of the day. hence my observation. a result of the upcoming renaissance? or were the scots were just saving money as usual on man hours.

amities,
cajunsr.

Ah, so this larger coin was worth 30 sous tournois, just as an American quarter is worth 25 cents. And "Titre 1000" means theoretical gold content 100.0% . Thank you for that information. Any idea why this picture does not seem to be the right coin ?

Merci pour ces informations. Pourquoi est-elle une monnaie différente, selon vous?

De toute façon, il paraît que ce catalogue ne nous donne pas une valeur, malheureusement.
But in any case, it doesn’t seem as though this catalogue is going to give us a value for the coin.

Rogermo

En fait,je n'ai jamais vu la monnaie acgetée par Monkpipper! Demandez lui un scan recto/verso.

I will scan the coin and post when gone from my job, I am.
Today, the 8th, @ 5 pm CST.

Thank you, all of you-all, for your help.

monkpiper

bonsoir MP,
please include both sides of the coin for reference. the french cousin who has the catalog is requesting it. i am sure he will help you with your request. i told my cousins are good people ready to help us here on delcampe despite what mr. bush has said of frenchman. and i still eat 'french' fries, but sebastien will disagree with that. in belgium, they are not considered 'french'. but taste very good just the same and eaten with mayonaisse. i still like ketchup with mine.

Link (http)

amities,
cajunsr.

I like the fries with vina-ger!

monkpiper

hold for scans/pics

Ok, here it is....took multiple try's to get the light right.

A picture taken, done first, should have.

monkpiper

again

mp

bonsoir MP,
please include both sides of the coin for reference. the french cousin who has the catalog is requesting it. i am sure he will help you with your request. i told my cousins are good people ready to help us here on delcampe despite what mr. bush has said of frenchman. and i still eat 'french' fries, but sebastien will disagree with that. in belgium, they are not considered 'french'. but taste very good just the same and eaten with mayonaisse. i still like ketchup with mine.

Link (http)

amities,
cajunsr.

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